He can't imagine what it's like, coming from a place where you don't ask. Don't things get tangled up before you can sit down and talk it out? What are actual interpersonal relationships like when that happens? It's something Ivan feels like he'll never know outside the bounds of his work, which is difficult enough when that happens.

"That's the idea, David," Ivan says with a grin, settling further into the couch. "I'm glad you do."